Thats meaningless data since there are for more biological males than there are trans people. Trans people actually have committed more mass shootings per capita than white men at this point. And Asian men and a lot of other groups. This is not normal behavior and shouldn’t be excused.
Stop with the cisgender crap. Men can’t choose to be women and women can’t choose to become men. Humans are binary. Promoting fantasy and delusion as a choice, especially in people whose brains and bodies have not matured, is irresponsible and cruel. Uncomfortable in your body? Try being a boy; that’ll fix it!
We are creating a mental health crisis with this crap and it needs to stop. Humans are not assigned a gender at birth. They develop male OR female sex characteristics in utero. This insanity is a plague, as is the insistence on using stupid labels like “cis”.
Violent crime statistics for women are being wildly skewed as transwomen, who are a subset of men, get recorded incorrectly. Yes, incorrectly. Men are not women and women are not men simply because they say it is so. When a medicalized man who presents as a woman commits a violent act against another, they are men committing that crime, not women.
This is likely correct. If you’ve never been in the shoes of a mother begging for help and nothing works, being blamed for treatment choices, you just can’t talk about what she “owes” the investigation. Eff them all. She owes them nothing. Our system is crap.
So you’re telling me you didn’t know your own gender at 17 years old? That’s embarrassing; most of us know much younger than that what boxes we do and don’t fit in. And some of us are lucky enough to have parents who care about our mental health like this mother tried to.
Do you know what percentage of humans are not born with the traditional XX or XY chromosomes. Obviously you don’t and the number will surprise you, estimates are between 1 -1.5 %, that’s 1 person in 50 to 75. Whether they have a penis or vagina does not define them, they are born intersex. Her name was Robin.
A quick Google search and reading reputable sources (NIH, Harvard Medical, even Amnesty International) suggest your percentage may be accurate (although many sources put it far lower) but the numbers cited were between 1 in 500 to 1 in 5000. But definitely not 1 in 50-75 people. And intersex (aka hermaphrodite) by its generally accepted definition is not the same as transgender.
There's no evidence he was intersex. Most trans people are not intersex. It's mostly a fad and this particular killer wrote that he was tired of the whole trans con.
Gene, Gene, Gene. Echo chamber knowledge is no excuse for ignorance. Being tired of "the whole trans con" could simply be that she was exhausted by the hormone therapy and its physical, mental and emotional changes. Imagine you're driving along the freeway in the midwest plains on your way to grandma's house in the mountains. At first getting off the blank, barren, flat, dull, sleep-inducing highways to head into a gorgeously landscaped, winding small road in the Rockies is exciting and beautiful. After a few hours of twists and turns, ups and downs, slowing down for 15 mph turns and then picking up speed for 1000 ft of straightways only to go down a steep section with a 90° turn at the bottom followed by a steep climb topped off with what amounts to a 180°. That is a person's emotions on hormone therapy. So Robin might simply have felt exhausted and unsupported by a myriad of uneducated and closed minded idiots leaving her confused and deeply depressed.
It’s not about trans! This was a mentally ill person. The mother owes nothing to the investigation because the system gave nothing to help. We need to be able to help adolescents in distress. Also GUNS should not have been available to this person!!
Nice try but there is ZERO EVIDENCE Westman was intersex, by history, by physical examination as a child or any abnormality noted at puberty. His name was Robin!
What I said is factually and objectively true Lisa whether it annoys you or not. My “position” had nothing to do with the facts. My statement had nothing to do with being an “intersex expert”. Hence you are “in no position” to criticize other than wanting to in some way protect a mentally ill man who was fascinated with mass shooters, killing children, anti semitic AND who killed two children and wounded 18 others! What the hell does that make you???
Men cannot become women and women cannot become men. Intersex and non-binary are not intellectual decisions but are biological realitities. If this is becoming epidemic, which statistics seem to support, we need to look at the cause as closely as we do when we find 5 legged frogs in a pond and determine cause. It appears, however, to be driven largely by social contagion and an unwillingness of adults to speak the truth out of fear of "triggering" someone. It also appears to be intensely homophobic, which is also incredibly problematic for a number of reasons. We wouldn't starve an anorexic to support the delusion that they're fat and we should not support the delusion that boys can declare themselves girls and vice versa. We need to stop creating this trauma, this crisis in mental health. Grooming impressionable children and grooming young adults to think they can declare themselves non-binary, intersex, furries, the opposite sex, 2 spirited (whatever that is!) or other nonsense is harmful and needs to stop.
And HE was a male who thought he would find self-acceptance as a female and found out he hated himself that way, too. Self-acceptance does not happen with hormones, surgery, name changes or any other external application. It is a psychological, intellectual, and emotional exercise.
Intersex needs to be medically (biologically) confirmed before consideration is made. The notion that one can simply declare this based on how they "feel" is ludicrous. Feelings are fleeting. The biology remains constant.
You’re using a very broad definition of intersex then. What people classically think of as intersex or a hermaphrodite is someone with visual genital differences at birth, which is incredibly rare. Literally less than .02% of people.
If you include people with chromosomal, hormonal, and gonadal variations, then you can get to that 0.5-1.7% figure. These conditions often make no difference in your life or health whatsoever though. Many of these people aren’t aware and wouldn’t consider themselves intersex even if they were.
Also, what does any of this have to do with trans people in the first place? Most trans people aren’t intersex, they’re just mentally ill or want to cosplay as the opposite sex for whatever reason. Thats their business.
How do you know that most trans people are not intersex? The broad definition I am using is anyone that is XX or XY or the sry gene does not present on the Y chromosome. This is the definition I found used by Harvard Med and several other reputable sources. Many of them have odd hormonal balances. How that might lead to being trans is easily believable.
If you have a source that shows most trans people aren’t intersex, please show me. The vast majority of intersex (by the above definition) are, as you state, unaware.
Why do you think that they are? Honestly, you can simply read the Wikipedia page on Intersex for a lot of sources on this. But I’ll do some leg work for you.
Most trans people are not intersex, and we have a lot of data demonstrating that. For example, a study published in The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism (Bentz et al., 2013) looked at the karyotypes of transgender women and found only 3.19% had an intersex-related chromosomal variation, while transgender men were even lower at 0.85%. Similarly, a survey of U.S. trans service members found only 0.5% identified as intersex. Meanwhile, intersex prevalence in the general population (even under your broad definition) ranges from 0.018%–1.7% (Blackless et al., 2000, Journal of Sex Research), while 0.8–1% of U.S. adults identify as transgender (Williams Institute). Taken together, the overlap exists, but it is very small, meaning the vast majority of trans people are not intersex.
If you’ve different studies or evidence to the contrary, feel free to share. But I couldn’t find any meaningful correlation between intersex—the biological condition—and transgender—the gender identity.
FYI, Most of those are XXX, XYY, or XO, which usually present phenotypically as female, male, or female, respectively. (The third example having a lot of rough health problems). Most XXX and XYY people will never know their karyotype.
"She" regretted choosing to present as female and only did so in order to find self-acceptance. We need to stop telling people that the solution to the discomfort of puberty is choosing to be something else. While there are intersex people, this is not something you declare or choose but is part of biology. I would be curious to know how many of today's "intersex" or "non-binary" people are actually intersex or non-binary and how many just woke up one day and said, "I'm going to choose that!" I'm guessing the skyrocketing of this is more social contagion that biological reality.
The identity crisis is being driven by people who start teaching children they can choose a gender instead of teaching them the coping skills they need to get through puberty/life. Westman was homophobic? Would he have grown up to be a normal, healthy, gay man if he had not been groomed. Was he pretending to be a female because he was same sex attracted? Was his Mother opposed to homosexuality so supportive of him pretending to be a girl? What is this perversion/sickness being hoisted onto our children?
No, actually, it's not, Karen. You and your tabloid-minded ilk love to stir pots online when you should be paying attention to your own children and families instead of playing Farmville for 14 hours or more and probably live in utter filth.
It was a chapel full of children. And it's the "business" of investigators, not yours.
I dare you to go take a shower. Do laundry. Stop obsessing about things you know nothing about while your children probably haven't eaten anything more than dirt.
All a bunch of incels too invested in how somebody else wants to live their life. How it hurts them I have no idea but you are correct. Freedom to live a life you want should not be the focus of this tragedy. I’m always amazed at people who are so obsessed with gender norms. Freedom for me but not for thee I guess.
You’ve completely missed the point here Holli! No one cares “ how someone is living their life”. This is about a very disturbed, mentally man who was even worse off about being trans and talked about it. He fantasized in public about killing children and enjoying it! Hated Jews and Christians. What is it with you people and the name calling?? You don’t know anyone who had commented here yet you so easily use a slur! Do you insult everyone who you disagree with in the most vile language??
You’re not really much into love are you Mindy? Your name ought to be okayihateyoubyebye. Fixed it for you. Now I’m sure I’ll get some love back from you!
“Hate and intolerance”? There should be zero tolerance for abuse of children and institutional cowardice/profiteering off of kids struggling through puberty. As for “trained professionals….” It doesn’t take training to discern that changing your name does not change anything but your name. There is no bibbity-bobbity-boo or fairy dust that causes
your body to change because you wish it to be so. Pointing out the truth is not hateful. Avoiding being truthful when doing so causes irreparable harm is cowardice of the first order and is not just unkind but is cruel. You’re affirming that a trans person, who may well grow up to be a healthy and happy gay person is NOT acceptable as they are. What a rotten message to affirm.
I know a woman that was 28 before she found out that behind her vagina were internal testes, no ovaries, fallopian tubes and no uterus. A simple physical exam wouldn’t show this. She had a normal puberty for a woman.
I didn’t claim Robin was or wasn’t intersex, just pointing out how common it is. And a lack of current evidence says absolutely nothing
Society has enabled the woke culture and and anything said against it means labels such as homophobic,racist ,colonizers,etc. There are 2 sexes ,male and female.
I think when it’s your child you are forced to learn about transgender kids and realize this is how they’re born and not something to correct or vilify but accept. There will be people who are unkind or even psycho but they don’t matter. Your kid matters.
The idea that they're all "born that way" is a myth. Many or most of the current crop of trans kids jumped on a fad. This particular shooter among them. He'd already admitted that he was tired of being trans. Same with the kid featured on the cover of National Geo some years back. He now regrets the whole show, and it's clear that it was his mom who wanted to be in the spotlight parenting a trans kid. Wake up to the con!
You may have seen a story of regret in a magazine but that is a little sketchy if you’re using it to make important decisions about people’s lives. There will always be copycats. Take a deep dive into what is really happening to some of our kids. See what the parents are saying. With all the harassment they and their children receive you must know they aren’t doing this for attention. We can be born many different ways and I don’t think it’s right to vilify a person for a physical or mental difference.
I walked by a "Protect Trans Kids Lives" rally. There could have been some peaceful protestors there, but the general tenor of the crowd was surly, mean and violent. I'm very sure there were some extreme hormone imbalance cases just itching for a fight and pushing people around. Ugly on the inside.
They're not born in the wrong body so changing the body to fit the brain is not going to fix the problem. The brain needs to accept the body they are given, and it will if we stop with the horrible messaging. This is especially harmful if a child is gay/lesbian. Changing your gender so your attraction to the same sex appears "normal" is extremely abnormal, harmful and dangerous.
Absolutely. 100% spot on. You don't entertain starving an anorexic because it makes them happy and solves their problem. You get them help. I don't know if this starts off as a mental illness but puberty is difficult for everyone, and is downright horrible for some kids. Affirming that they're current body is not good enough, somehow wrong, not attractive, not acceptable is terrible messaging from a parent.
A zillion things to discuss here, but my first thought is that a parent can only hope for the best by the time a child hits adolescence, because for better or worse, they're beyond your control and these junior high/ high school years are fraught with conflict & potential danger, ESPECIALLY once they get drivers' licences or worse, if they grow up with firearms & free access to them.
I count myself fortunate that I never had to cope with gender identity struggles, tattoos, vapes, social media, mass shooter drills or the quaking volatility of this moment in history where hope & stability are only for the rich.
My best guess is that this shellshocked mother is just mobilizing some help before the media & righteously enraged bereaved parents attack.
At 61, and my kids entering their 30’s, I thought the same thing as your comment summarizes. And maybe this parent is just taking a moment to figure out how she’s going to live with this horror of what her child did.
Agreed that this world has become so ruthless and hatefilled that she is wise to obtain legal support to help her through this difficult time.
So few of us would know how to respond to this situation if it were our young adult child. She is likely being inundated with calls from the press, death and other threats, and photographers stalking her. And she might have been struggling to support her child through mental health struggles for a decade. Exhaustion and grief are plenty good reasons for her to hire a lawyer to speak (and not) on her behalf.
Every mother (and father) knows that you can't control the choices your young adult children make, and that they often hide their worst from their parents.
Great comment & THANKS. I'm personally satisfied that our world has ALWAYS been ruthless & hatefilled, there's just so many more ways to express it, and the Republican party is now like Jeff Goldblum in the final reel of "The Fly", an oozing tumor of pure malignancy that REWARDS sadism.
Some municipal police departments have began reporting the gender of perpetrators as whatever its claimed to be. Therefore, we have no idea what the true stats even are regarding trans crime and trans violence. But its certain that kids from broken families go trans much more often than kids from stable, healthy and loving homes.
I'm a scientist, so I'd love to see the reference that backs your statement before I can give it the weight you're so sure about.
I doubt we're actually collecting and analyzing that data in a scientifically defensible way. That would require action: scientific research funded by the government. As a nation, we aren't studying this enough--because we know the research, in part, will show that guns and inadequate mental health care are a big part of the problem.
We have enough data on white cis male shooters to draw statistical conclusions. But every scientist knows that you can't draw statistically significant conclusions when you only have 4 (trans) subjects to study.
Please take care when drawing conclusions you are so sure of if you're not a scientific researcher or aren't reading those conclusions in a journal article.
I believe she has become catatonic - when everything she thinks of is unspeakable and no words sound right. She is very smart to protect herself from ruthless behavior. What she can contribute i am sure she will. I am not a doctor, i am a survivor.
Just one thing; all of the issues mentioned especially that of gender identity are prevalent in the wealthy. Some studies indicate even more so among the well off, privileged youth.
Yes, that's an understatement. You don't see these mass trans fads showing up in poor nations. It's mostly bored rich kids who don't need jobs and have nothing practical to do in life.
People may have cross-dressed throughout history. This is the first time in human history when people said "Trans-women are women" and such. It's the first time in human history when people said they don't know how to define a woman. It's the first time in history when people tried to change the sex of their children. It's the first time we began sterilizing children who are confused about their gender, and growing breasts on boys. It's the first time we invented a new term for people who are not trans. Etc.! That's a whole lotta crazy!
Once again, the mom signed for him to change names while he was still a minor. So she shares the problem of his confusion. Rather than setting him straight as a responsible parent she went along with his delusions. So I think she owes the victims some answers at the very least.
I have to be honest in this era I would probably retain a lawyer myself. Between the media and politics, they can make her life a living hell. That is not to diminish the mourning of parents or friends of the victims. But she has to look out for herself.
I also don’t think this action is worthy of a think piece, in fact i think it’s the right thing to do. Attorneys manage comms which I imagine is incredibly overwhelming for a grief stricken parent, and will guide her through the coming legal actions. Recent school shootings have brought charges against parents, this seems like a no brainer.
I followed the aftermath of the Columbine shootings. I have listened to Dylan Klebold‘s mother interviewed and read her book, “A Mother’s Reckoning.” We are not “still reeling.” America is forever wounded by each school shooting, and we will always mourn the victims who were murdered. We like to point fingers, thinking there must be an answer. Sue Klebold is brave and honest. She was vilified, too, and her courage is what will help America learn and lean into the terrible edges of acute mental health threats. Who knows what “we” would do if we were the mother of a mass murderer? Sue Klebold does- her book is better for America than any speculation.
I just recommended her book too in another comment! I think Sue Klebold still has some blind spots about her son’s motivations, but overall, she has shown a lot of courage and integrity in a horrible situation, and her contributions to the conversation have been important. Her book is one I will never forget.
Patience and compassion is call for here. This article and others have attacked the mother. We know absolutely nothing about their lives. Trans has nothing to do with this other than just another confusing pain heap upon this kid who, like all the other white boy mass shooters went over the edge. I cant even imagine what it is like to try and love and raise a tortured soul like this this. There are priests and xtians on here going bonkers because he was a so called trans, and calling out the demons. Its demons, its mental health, its poor parenting, it's anything but guns, guns, and more guns.
No it’s not. We had kids driving to school with guns on their pick-up trucks in the 50’s. People had them over their fireplaces and by the front door. We didn’t have mass shootings. We didn’t have any of the insanity we have in our culture today … brought on by the Communist/Marxist Woke, feminism, LGBTQ+, mass immigration of low IQ violent parasites, on and on. Our culture has been decimated. Young people in particular are being destroyed by insane ideology. It is done on purpose. Perpetrated by anti-American, anti-Western culture globalists and elitists. Wake up and smell the coffee.
I am laughing so hard. Tell that remark to your fellow Brits who gave up their guns and are now at the mercy of Communist/Globalist Starmer and his wonderful replacement population of parasite rapists and murderers.
🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ Actually, poor coping mechanisms past along by their parents (AKA YOU, MAGA & CN'S) are at the crux of the degradation. You preach judgement and hatred claiming to be Christian yet everything Christ taught was the opposite. You support a narcissist who sells Bibles to raise money for legal fees to defend himself for paying off his mistress while his wife & 6 mo baby and his other mistress were both at home. You sell nothing more than paganistic BS that is nothing close to the new covenant. There's only one final judge and it isn't you or your salmon soray painted cult leader with gaudy decorating passions.
YES I graduated HS in '75, and a shop-class rifle rack with a gun in the back window of a pickup was still very much a thing for some classmates, and it never sparked any panic. In some rural school districts, first day of deer season in Nov was a day off. But it was also inconceivable that a teen hunter would ever bring his rifle into school & start smoking classmates & teachers.
Life & history is mostly beyond our control, and things are just gonna offend us as they move away from where our personal growing and flexibility stopped. I'm a virtual shut-in because TOO MANY people are now hair-trigger crazy, and the law encourages them to "go strapped," or "stand your ground," which means those of us unarmed are just bullet-stoppers for gunslingers' petty rages. How is this even "civilization"?
For whatever reason, many parents are participating in and enabling this trans fantasy, which is being used by leftists to break down boundaries and alienate children from families. It is part of the constellation of ideologies you refer to. Where is the conviction to stand up to it? My parents never would have given in to this garbage.
Fella, if that is the case, why have there been no mass shootings committed by feminists, LGBTQ+ people, immigrants, woke people (I am woke), etc. If there are shootings committed by Communists/Marxists, then surely the former Soviet Union would have had mass shootings without end.
Maybe kids were brought to schools by their dads carrying rifles in their pickup trucks, but they certainly did NOT have AR-15s, AK-47s.
So this was a normal kid who happened to get a gun? You make no sense whatsoever. Obviously it was either demons or mental illness, with a broken marriage thrown in.
It's not the guns, sure he was able to buy legally but even if not, when Americans or Canadians want access to a firearm they will find a way to get one or another way to kill,knife, machette or a vehicle. I feel trans people are mental people that need help.
Really, never heard of a machete mass killing. Assault rifles are strictly made for killing humans at a very high rate. Not like a bolt action rifle or a pump gun. Only 4 mass killing by a trans, over a thousand or more from white, male boys.
Maybe not a mass killing with a machette but there have sure been lots using knives, fire, blunt objects and vehicles. Most mass murders are committed by people who are depressed, bi polar or some other form of mental illness and they are not getting the help they need in today's society. Guns are not the problem, people's access to them is the problem.
The amount of blame and shame a mother receives for children’s actions is horrible. We all know it takes a village but there is no village to be found. Mental illness requires a lot of care but there is little real care to be found. Doctors will encourage you to “believe your child” and medicate heavily. When your kid is going off the rails and you’re begging for help all around town, and you finally find someone who will do something, anything. What if it doesn’t help? What if it was the wrong choice? This isn’t about trans, and it’s only peripherally about medication. It’s about kids in distress for years and years and no one knows how to help mental illness. I would hide behind a lawyer and as soon as possible change my name and start a new life.
Was there mental health intervention? A psychological evaluation is always the first step when someone has gender identity issues. It helps them work through conflict over it and any underlying mental health issues can be discovered. Just being trans, or having conflicting feelings, is not a mental health disorder and does not lead to violence. This person was struggling with a myriad of issues.
More than anything this speaks to the necessity for mental health testing prior to the issuance of gun licensing , which should, then be reevaluated at intervals. This is especially important in adolescence. If the GOP wants to use mental health as the culprit, this should be an place of agreement
If I were in her place I wouldn't speak either. We started this awful journey by ignoring the parents of the Colombine shooting though I am convinced they had possibly the hardest road of all. They lost their children, nobody seemed to care about that, and they faced all the public criticism. The parents of the shooter at a Christian school where I reside cooperated immediately and fully, but despite having stated numerous times that he was unaware his daughter had access to the gun safe, her father was charged. I don't know the answers to ending these crimes but I do know that what we have done and what we are doing aren't the answers either. My sincerest sympathy and prayers to all the victims and their families.
I'm sure he's rubbing his hands together with glee with how much he can deflect from this shooters far right politics by talking about the gender identity, anti Christian & anti Trump sentiment.
This framing is unfair and dangerous. A mother hiring a lawyer after her child commits a mass shooting is not suspicious, t’s survival. Families are often scapegoated, vilified, and even sued in tragedies like this. Silence doesn’t mean complicity; sometimes it’s the only shield left in the middle of unimaginable grief.
What’s worse is how this piece weaponizes Robin’s gender identity and political leanings as if they “explain” the violence. Trans identity didn’t pull the trigger. Hate, untreated mental health struggles, and access to multiple firearms did. Blaming identity only fuels stigma and distracts from the real issues.
Drawing parallels to the Oxford case is just planting suspicion without evidence. Unless investigators show that Mary Grace ignored explicit warnings, this constant finger-pointing only deepens the pain for victims’ families and for a mother who lost her child in the most horrific way possible.
Mass shootings are complex. Simplifying them into “blame the mom” or “blame the identity” doesn’t help us prevent the next one, it just fuels division when what’s needed is truth, accountability, and real solutions.
Read some of his journal entries and you can't miss how much his gender identity confusion played into him going full on terrorist. He fantacized slaughtering Christian children which makes it a hate crime if you can get any worse than straight up mass murder.
Well, the parents share a lot of the blame, but society and the "healthcare" industry as well. Real love would have been demonstrated by refusing to go along with this young man's gender change fantasy right from the beginning. Had they demanded that he live in reality right from the start, he might never have gone down the path to murder. All of these commenter's on here blaming the guns are just as detached from reality. The real weapon was the shooter not the gun. And maybe his mother realizes that she shares some of the blame.
Well, now Andy Ngo has reported that the mom was the voice of reason, trying to stop or delay her son's bogus transition. In this version it is the uber progressive dad/idiot who happily encouraged the delusions of their youngest child. And that also makes sense of Robert/Robin's choice of target. Mom didn't support him enough and that's why he regretted his trans feelings. So obviously her former employer and all those little catholic kids needed to suffer. Burn in hell weirdo. And my apologies and sympathies to the mom.
So per your logic, guns don't kill. We only have to worry about mentally ill, drug addled white transgender people pulling the trigger.
We dont have to worry about MAGA pulling triggers. Thats a relief to all the libs constantly getting death threats. Good to know that MAGA won't be following through with their death threats.
Most cops would disagree with you and say that the biggest cause of violence is the proliferation of illegal street guns that are easily obtained by criminals.
Put a gun in the hands of a criminal and they're going to use it. They're not going to get a background check and a mental heallth evaluation.
Where do the illegal weapons come from? Out of state gun shows and home break-ins. Stolen from white suburban guys who buy them for "protection" then put them in the nightstand and forget about them. They constantly feed the black market.
Whitch part is incorrect? You can't have it both ways. If "guns don't kill, people kill" then any gun owner is a potential killer. Who determines who is mentally ill? Should we be looking at every gun owners emails and posts?
MAGA makes the most death threats by far. Should we assume those are empty threats and there is no intention of following through. Or do they really plan on pulling the trigger and committing murder
This woman just lost her son, and also has to grapple with the horrifying realization that her son was a killer. This all happened less than a week ago. I would not expect her to be speaking to the media right now or doing anything besides managing her own grief process while also considering her own safety and that of her remaining family
If anyone wants a really harrowing window into what this woman may be going through “A Mother’s Reconning” by Sue Klebold (mother of Columbine shooter Dylan Klebold) is a painful but illuminating read.
I also do not blame her for retaining a lawyer. Parents of school shooters have been sued, or even convicted of crimes and sentenced to prison recently. It may look crass, but it is probably a necessity.
When there has been a practice of charging parents for the actions of their dead children in high profile cases, it makes perfect sense for her to remain silent and hire an attorney.
The mom can have her lawyer present when talking to investigators. But she still refuses to talk about anything. “his client remains unreachable to investigators”
His name was Robert. He was not female. He was insane.
There is no need for nuance… and there certainly is no need to be posthumously polite.
This is such a weird kind you have. You’re so desperate to make this about being transgender when 98% of mass shootings are by white cis-gender males.
Thats meaningless data since there are for more biological males than there are trans people. Trans people actually have committed more mass shootings per capita than white men at this point. And Asian men and a lot of other groups. This is not normal behavior and shouldn’t be excused.
Links to prove out your claim, please.
Stop with the cisgender crap. Men can’t choose to be women and women can’t choose to become men. Humans are binary. Promoting fantasy and delusion as a choice, especially in people whose brains and bodies have not matured, is irresponsible and cruel. Uncomfortable in your body? Try being a boy; that’ll fix it!
We are creating a mental health crisis with this crap and it needs to stop. Humans are not assigned a gender at birth. They develop male OR female sex characteristics in utero. This insanity is a plague, as is the insistence on using stupid labels like “cis”.
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Not correct. The perpetrators of school shootings, for example, are about 60% white, which is in line with the demographics of society as a whole.
Now that trans militancy is big the stats are changing wildly toward the Zizian types.
Violent crime statistics for women are being wildly skewed as transwomen, who are a subset of men, get recorded incorrectly. Yes, incorrectly. Men are not women and women are not men simply because they say it is so. When a medicalized man who presents as a woman commits a violent act against another, they are men committing that crime, not women.
Stay focused. His detrans turmoil was a contributing factor, based on his actual manifesto. Believe all manifesto leavers.
This is likely correct. If you’ve never been in the shoes of a mother begging for help and nothing works, being blamed for treatment choices, you just can’t talk about what she “owes” the investigation. Eff them all. She owes them nothing. Our system is crap.
So you’re telling me you didn’t know your own gender at 17 years old? That’s embarrassing; most of us know much younger than that what boxes we do and don’t fit in. And some of us are lucky enough to have parents who care about our mental health like this mother tried to.
Most of us knew because we weren't being groomed with confusing messages that told us we could ignore biology and make a choice.
Do you know what percentage of humans are not born with the traditional XX or XY chromosomes. Obviously you don’t and the number will surprise you, estimates are between 1 -1.5 %, that’s 1 person in 50 to 75. Whether they have a penis or vagina does not define them, they are born intersex. Her name was Robin.
Learn something knew today. Look it up.
A quick Google search and reading reputable sources (NIH, Harvard Medical, even Amnesty International) suggest your percentage may be accurate (although many sources put it far lower) but the numbers cited were between 1 in 500 to 1 in 5000. But definitely not 1 in 50-75 people. And intersex (aka hermaphrodite) by its generally accepted definition is not the same as transgender.
If my percentages are more of less accurate than 1.5 percent = 1.5 per hundred people or about 1 in 66
Most intersex are not actually hermaphodites.
There's no evidence he was intersex. Most trans people are not intersex. It's mostly a fad and this particular killer wrote that he was tired of the whole trans con.
Gene, Gene, Gene. Echo chamber knowledge is no excuse for ignorance. Being tired of "the whole trans con" could simply be that she was exhausted by the hormone therapy and its physical, mental and emotional changes. Imagine you're driving along the freeway in the midwest plains on your way to grandma's house in the mountains. At first getting off the blank, barren, flat, dull, sleep-inducing highways to head into a gorgeously landscaped, winding small road in the Rockies is exciting and beautiful. After a few hours of twists and turns, ups and downs, slowing down for 15 mph turns and then picking up speed for 1000 ft of straightways only to go down a steep section with a 90° turn at the bottom followed by a steep climb topped off with what amounts to a 180°. That is a person's emotions on hormone therapy. So Robin might simply have felt exhausted and unsupported by a myriad of uneducated and closed minded idiots leaving her confused and deeply depressed.
It’s not about trans! This was a mentally ill person. The mother owes nothing to the investigation because the system gave nothing to help. We need to be able to help adolescents in distress. Also GUNS should not have been available to this person!!
Nice try but there is ZERO EVIDENCE Westman was intersex, by history, by physical examination as a child or any abnormality noted at puberty. His name was Robin!
You are in no position to make that statement. You’re not an intersex expert. And you don’t know anything about the family dynamics.
What I said is factually and objectively true Lisa whether it annoys you or not. My “position” had nothing to do with the facts. My statement had nothing to do with being an “intersex expert”. Hence you are “in no position” to criticize other than wanting to in some way protect a mentally ill man who was fascinated with mass shooters, killing children, anti semitic AND who killed two children and wounded 18 others! What the hell does that make you???
Men cannot become women and women cannot become men. Intersex and non-binary are not intellectual decisions but are biological realitities. If this is becoming epidemic, which statistics seem to support, we need to look at the cause as closely as we do when we find 5 legged frogs in a pond and determine cause. It appears, however, to be driven largely by social contagion and an unwillingness of adults to speak the truth out of fear of "triggering" someone. It also appears to be intensely homophobic, which is also incredibly problematic for a number of reasons. We wouldn't starve an anorexic to support the delusion that they're fat and we should not support the delusion that boys can declare themselves girls and vice versa. We need to stop creating this trauma, this crisis in mental health. Grooming impressionable children and grooming young adults to think they can declare themselves non-binary, intersex, furries, the opposite sex, 2 spirited (whatever that is!) or other nonsense is harmful and needs to stop.
And HE was a male who thought he would find self-acceptance as a female and found out he hated himself that way, too. Self-acceptance does not happen with hormones, surgery, name changes or any other external application. It is a psychological, intellectual, and emotional exercise.
Robert.
Thanks for the correction!
Do you think only intersex people should be allowed to transition? Otherwise bringing them up in relation to trans issues are a complete non sequitur
Intersex needs to be medically (biologically) confirmed before consideration is made. The notion that one can simply declare this based on how they "feel" is ludicrous. Feelings are fleeting. The biology remains constant.
That data is not accurate. Actual intersex people account for well under 1% of births. You have to include trans people to get to your figure.
Not according to Harvard med, NIH, and others. These are estimates and the numbers can vary greatly in subsets of humans.
You’re using a very broad definition of intersex then. What people classically think of as intersex or a hermaphrodite is someone with visual genital differences at birth, which is incredibly rare. Literally less than .02% of people.
If you include people with chromosomal, hormonal, and gonadal variations, then you can get to that 0.5-1.7% figure. These conditions often make no difference in your life or health whatsoever though. Many of these people aren’t aware and wouldn’t consider themselves intersex even if they were.
Also, what does any of this have to do with trans people in the first place? Most trans people aren’t intersex, they’re just mentally ill or want to cosplay as the opposite sex for whatever reason. Thats their business.
How do you know that most trans people are not intersex? The broad definition I am using is anyone that is XX or XY or the sry gene does not present on the Y chromosome. This is the definition I found used by Harvard Med and several other reputable sources. Many of them have odd hormonal balances. How that might lead to being trans is easily believable.
If you have a source that shows most trans people aren’t intersex, please show me. The vast majority of intersex (by the above definition) are, as you state, unaware.
Why do you think that they are? Honestly, you can simply read the Wikipedia page on Intersex for a lot of sources on this. But I’ll do some leg work for you.
Most trans people are not intersex, and we have a lot of data demonstrating that. For example, a study published in The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism (Bentz et al., 2013) looked at the karyotypes of transgender women and found only 3.19% had an intersex-related chromosomal variation, while transgender men were even lower at 0.85%. Similarly, a survey of U.S. trans service members found only 0.5% identified as intersex. Meanwhile, intersex prevalence in the general population (even under your broad definition) ranges from 0.018%–1.7% (Blackless et al., 2000, Journal of Sex Research), while 0.8–1% of U.S. adults identify as transgender (Williams Institute). Taken together, the overlap exists, but it is very small, meaning the vast majority of trans people are not intersex.
If you’ve different studies or evidence to the contrary, feel free to share. But I couldn’t find any meaningful correlation between intersex—the biological condition—and transgender—the gender identity.
FYI, Most of those are XXX, XYY, or XO, which usually present phenotypically as female, male, or female, respectively. (The third example having a lot of rough health problems). Most XXX and XYY people will never know their karyotype.
Thank you for this correct explanation.
It's spelled new.
"She" regretted choosing to present as female and only did so in order to find self-acceptance. We need to stop telling people that the solution to the discomfort of puberty is choosing to be something else. While there are intersex people, this is not something you declare or choose but is part of biology. I would be curious to know how many of today's "intersex" or "non-binary" people are actually intersex or non-binary and how many just woke up one day and said, "I'm going to choose that!" I'm guessing the skyrocketing of this is more social contagion that biological reality.
God can redeem a eunuch.
His name was robert. He was not a female. He was not insane. Just another victim of Americas worthless culture and broken system.
The identity crisis is being driven by people who start teaching children they can choose a gender instead of teaching them the coping skills they need to get through puberty/life. Westman was homophobic? Would he have grown up to be a normal, healthy, gay man if he had not been groomed. Was he pretending to be a female because he was same sex attracted? Was his Mother opposed to homosexuality so supportive of him pretending to be a girl? What is this perversion/sickness being hoisted onto our children?
Nope. Its being driven by terrible parents who won't protect their children and alpha males who only care about cooter and loving foreigners.
Well, thank you opening THIS unnecessary can of worms.
Legally, their name was changed from Robert to Robin with their mother's support. And that is no one's business, Dr Phil.
Except for trained professionals who may have training and experience and could possibly offer some insight, and that's doubtful.
Please stop with the hate and intolerance. There are very mentally ill people in every aspect of society.
One aspect more than most. 💙🏳️🌈🇺🇦
What an idiotic comment.
Since this crazed individual shot up a Church full of people, it is absolutely our business!
No, actually, it's not, Karen. You and your tabloid-minded ilk love to stir pots online when you should be paying attention to your own children and families instead of playing Farmville for 14 hours or more and probably live in utter filth.
It was a chapel full of children. And it's the "business" of investigators, not yours.
I dare you to go take a shower. Do laundry. Stop obsessing about things you know nothing about while your children probably haven't eaten anything more than dirt.
All a bunch of incels too invested in how somebody else wants to live their life. How it hurts them I have no idea but you are correct. Freedom to live a life you want should not be the focus of this tragedy. I’m always amazed at people who are so obsessed with gender norms. Freedom for me but not for thee I guess.
You’ve completely missed the point here Holli! No one cares “ how someone is living their life”. This is about a very disturbed, mentally man who was even worse off about being trans and talked about it. He fantasized in public about killing children and enjoying it! Hated Jews and Christians. What is it with you people and the name calling?? You don’t know anyone who had commented here yet you so easily use a slur! Do you insult everyone who you disagree with in the most vile language??
Yes they do care! It’s in the fucking comments!
You’re not really much into love are you Mindy? Your name ought to be okayihateyoubyebye. Fixed it for you. Now I’m sure I’ll get some love back from you!
“Hate and intolerance”? There should be zero tolerance for abuse of children and institutional cowardice/profiteering off of kids struggling through puberty. As for “trained professionals….” It doesn’t take training to discern that changing your name does not change anything but your name. There is no bibbity-bobbity-boo or fairy dust that causes
your body to change because you wish it to be so. Pointing out the truth is not hateful. Avoiding being truthful when doing so causes irreparable harm is cowardice of the first order and is not just unkind but is cruel. You’re affirming that a trans person, who may well grow up to be a healthy and happy gay person is NOT acceptable as they are. What a rotten message to affirm.
I know a woman that was 28 before she found out that behind her vagina were internal testes, no ovaries, fallopian tubes and no uterus. A simple physical exam wouldn’t show this. She had a normal puberty for a woman.
I didn’t claim Robin was or wasn’t intersex, just pointing out how common it is. And a lack of current evidence says absolutely nothing
It is not common, John.
You’re in the wrong discussion John! Go find the intersex group chat. That’s not what we’re talking about here.
I acknowledge they are all mentally ill and need help. I do not humor their delusions though
Society has enabled the woke culture and and anything said against it means labels such as homophobic,racist ,colonizers,etc. There are 2 sexes ,male and female.
Woke culture? Have you ever read the Bible? If you had you’d find that Jesus was “woke”.
How anyone can be without empathy dismays me.
How was he woke? Explain
Empathy especially for the least among us for starters.
And Jesus replied,Your sins are forgiven,sin no more. We can have empathy that does not mean we accept the behavior.
I think when it’s your child you are forced to learn about transgender kids and realize this is how they’re born and not something to correct or vilify but accept. There will be people who are unkind or even psycho but they don’t matter. Your kid matters.
The idea that they're all "born that way" is a myth. Many or most of the current crop of trans kids jumped on a fad. This particular shooter among them. He'd already admitted that he was tired of being trans. Same with the kid featured on the cover of National Geo some years back. He now regrets the whole show, and it's clear that it was his mom who wanted to be in the spotlight parenting a trans kid. Wake up to the con!
You may have seen a story of regret in a magazine but that is a little sketchy if you’re using it to make important decisions about people’s lives. There will always be copycats. Take a deep dive into what is really happening to some of our kids. See what the parents are saying. With all the harassment they and their children receive you must know they aren’t doing this for attention. We can be born many different ways and I don’t think it’s right to vilify a person for a physical or mental difference.
I walked by a "Protect Trans Kids Lives" rally. There could have been some peaceful protestors there, but the general tenor of the crowd was surly, mean and violent. I'm very sure there were some extreme hormone imbalance cases just itching for a fight and pushing people around. Ugly on the inside.
They're not born in the wrong body so changing the body to fit the brain is not going to fix the problem. The brain needs to accept the body they are given, and it will if we stop with the horrible messaging. This is especially harmful if a child is gay/lesbian. Changing your gender so your attraction to the same sex appears "normal" is extremely abnormal, harmful and dangerous.
Absolutely. 100% spot on. You don't entertain starving an anorexic because it makes them happy and solves their problem. You get them help. I don't know if this starts off as a mental illness but puberty is difficult for everyone, and is downright horrible for some kids. Affirming that they're current body is not good enough, somehow wrong, not attractive, not acceptable is terrible messaging from a parent.
So sorry to see this. Quick question. Are you a parent?
A zillion things to discuss here, but my first thought is that a parent can only hope for the best by the time a child hits adolescence, because for better or worse, they're beyond your control and these junior high/ high school years are fraught with conflict & potential danger, ESPECIALLY once they get drivers' licences or worse, if they grow up with firearms & free access to them.
I count myself fortunate that I never had to cope with gender identity struggles, tattoos, vapes, social media, mass shooter drills or the quaking volatility of this moment in history where hope & stability are only for the rich.
My best guess is that this shellshocked mother is just mobilizing some help before the media & righteously enraged bereaved parents attack.
At 61, and my kids entering their 30’s, I thought the same thing as your comment summarizes. And maybe this parent is just taking a moment to figure out how she’s going to live with this horror of what her child did.
Agreed that this world has become so ruthless and hatefilled that she is wise to obtain legal support to help her through this difficult time.
So few of us would know how to respond to this situation if it were our young adult child. She is likely being inundated with calls from the press, death and other threats, and photographers stalking her. And she might have been struggling to support her child through mental health struggles for a decade. Exhaustion and grief are plenty good reasons for her to hire a lawyer to speak (and not) on her behalf.
Every mother (and father) knows that you can't control the choices your young adult children make, and that they often hide their worst from their parents.
Haven't heard any mention of the father.
Great comment & THANKS. I'm personally satisfied that our world has ALWAYS been ruthless & hatefilled, there's just so many more ways to express it, and the Republican party is now like Jeff Goldblum in the final reel of "The Fly", an oozing tumor of pure malignancy that REWARDS sadism.
I notice that the trans shooters never have an intact family.
There have only been about 4 trans shooters. How many of the 4000+ non-trans shooters have intact family?
Some municipal police departments have began reporting the gender of perpetrators as whatever its claimed to be. Therefore, we have no idea what the true stats even are regarding trans crime and trans violence. But its certain that kids from broken families go trans much more often than kids from stable, healthy and loving homes.
I'm a scientist, so I'd love to see the reference that backs your statement before I can give it the weight you're so sure about.
I doubt we're actually collecting and analyzing that data in a scientifically defensible way. That would require action: scientific research funded by the government. As a nation, we aren't studying this enough--because we know the research, in part, will show that guns and inadequate mental health care are a big part of the problem.
We have enough data on white cis male shooters to draw statistical conclusions. But every scientist knows that you can't draw statistically significant conclusions when you only have 4 (trans) subjects to study.
Please take care when drawing conclusions you are so sure of if you're not a scientific researcher or aren't reading those conclusions in a journal article.
You doubt we're collecting the data yet you know there have been only 4. What type of science is that?
A very thoughtful and empathetic comment.
I believe she has become catatonic - when everything she thinks of is unspeakable and no words sound right. She is very smart to protect herself from ruthless behavior. What she can contribute i am sure she will. I am not a doctor, i am a survivor.
Whose “ruthless behavior” deserves protection?
Ruthless behavior - the machine that harrasses whomever they please - vindictive hatred often unearned.
Did the shooter have “vindictive hatred” or just a mild irritation to cause mass casualties?
Just one thing; all of the issues mentioned especially that of gender identity are prevalent in the wealthy. Some studies indicate even more so among the well off, privileged youth.
Yes, that's an understatement. You don't see these mass trans fads showing up in poor nations. It's mostly bored rich kids who don't need jobs and have nothing practical to do in life.
People may have cross-dressed throughout history. This is the first time in human history when people said "Trans-women are women" and such. It's the first time in human history when people said they don't know how to define a woman. It's the first time in history when people tried to change the sex of their children. It's the first time we began sterilizing children who are confused about their gender, and growing breasts on boys. It's the first time we invented a new term for people who are not trans. Etc.! That's a whole lotta crazy!
The mom encouraged and enabled the transition. That makes her part of the problem.
Once again, the mom signed for him to change names while he was still a minor. So she shares the problem of his confusion. Rather than setting him straight as a responsible parent she went along with his delusions. So I think she owes the victims some answers at the very least.
I have to be honest in this era I would probably retain a lawyer myself. Between the media and politics, they can make her life a living hell. That is not to diminish the mourning of parents or friends of the victims. But she has to look out for herself.
I also don’t think this action is worthy of a think piece, in fact i think it’s the right thing to do. Attorneys manage comms which I imagine is incredibly overwhelming for a grief stricken parent, and will guide her through the coming legal actions. Recent school shootings have brought charges against parents, this seems like a no brainer.
I followed the aftermath of the Columbine shootings. I have listened to Dylan Klebold‘s mother interviewed and read her book, “A Mother’s Reckoning.” We are not “still reeling.” America is forever wounded by each school shooting, and we will always mourn the victims who were murdered. We like to point fingers, thinking there must be an answer. Sue Klebold is brave and honest. She was vilified, too, and her courage is what will help America learn and lean into the terrible edges of acute mental health threats. Who knows what “we” would do if we were the mother of a mass murderer? Sue Klebold does- her book is better for America than any speculation.
She has shown unending courage and insight.
I just recommended her book too in another comment! I think Sue Klebold still has some blind spots about her son’s motivations, but overall, she has shown a lot of courage and integrity in a horrible situation, and her contributions to the conversation have been important. Her book is one I will never forget.
Patience and compassion is call for here. This article and others have attacked the mother. We know absolutely nothing about their lives. Trans has nothing to do with this other than just another confusing pain heap upon this kid who, like all the other white boy mass shooters went over the edge. I cant even imagine what it is like to try and love and raise a tortured soul like this this. There are priests and xtians on here going bonkers because he was a so called trans, and calling out the demons. Its demons, its mental health, its poor parenting, it's anything but guns, guns, and more guns.
No it’s not. We had kids driving to school with guns on their pick-up trucks in the 50’s. People had them over their fireplaces and by the front door. We didn’t have mass shootings. We didn’t have any of the insanity we have in our culture today … brought on by the Communist/Marxist Woke, feminism, LGBTQ+, mass immigration of low IQ violent parasites, on and on. Our culture has been decimated. Young people in particular are being destroyed by insane ideology. It is done on purpose. Perpetrated by anti-American, anti-Western culture globalists and elitists. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Even for a maggot you’ve come out as a total tosser. Guns aren’t culture they are are sign of weakness
I am laughing so hard. Tell that remark to your fellow Brits who gave up their guns and are now at the mercy of Communist/Globalist Starmer and his wonderful replacement population of parasite rapists and murderers.
So, protecting your family is a sign of weakness. David, you have a weak mind. I suggest you take a course on the Constitution.
🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ Actually, poor coping mechanisms past along by their parents (AKA YOU, MAGA & CN'S) are at the crux of the degradation. You preach judgement and hatred claiming to be Christian yet everything Christ taught was the opposite. You support a narcissist who sells Bibles to raise money for legal fees to defend himself for paying off his mistress while his wife & 6 mo baby and his other mistress were both at home. You sell nothing more than paganistic BS that is nothing close to the new covenant. There's only one final judge and it isn't you or your salmon soray painted cult leader with gaudy decorating passions.
OMG. Where do you poor people get this stuff? I feel so sorry for you.
They're educated on Fox and the Backwards Bible channels so you can't expect much from them.
YES I graduated HS in '75, and a shop-class rifle rack with a gun in the back window of a pickup was still very much a thing for some classmates, and it never sparked any panic. In some rural school districts, first day of deer season in Nov was a day off. But it was also inconceivable that a teen hunter would ever bring his rifle into school & start smoking classmates & teachers.
Life & history is mostly beyond our control, and things are just gonna offend us as they move away from where our personal growing and flexibility stopped. I'm a virtual shut-in because TOO MANY people are now hair-trigger crazy, and the law encourages them to "go strapped," or "stand your ground," which means those of us unarmed are just bullet-stoppers for gunslingers' petty rages. How is this even "civilization"?
For whatever reason, many parents are participating in and enabling this trans fantasy, which is being used by leftists to break down boundaries and alienate children from families. It is part of the constellation of ideologies you refer to. Where is the conviction to stand up to it? My parents never would have given in to this garbage.
Cause you have shit parents. If heaven and hell were real they would be burning for all eternity
Not AK47s you moronic cunt. People had a shot gun or a handgun. He was a neo nazi and one of your crowd.
So Trump is your Savior?
Jesus Christ is my Savior. Newsome, Crockett, Pelosi, Mandami, Schumer? Which little maggot is yours??
Speaking of Low IQ lol
Referring to yourself I presume. 🤡
They were hunting rifles, not assault rifles.
Fella, if that is the case, why have there been no mass shootings committed by feminists, LGBTQ+ people, immigrants, woke people (I am woke), etc. If there are shootings committed by Communists/Marxists, then surely the former Soviet Union would have had mass shootings without end.
Maybe kids were brought to schools by their dads carrying rifles in their pickup trucks, but they certainly did NOT have AR-15s, AK-47s.
Your argument does not hold.
So this was a normal kid who happened to get a gun? You make no sense whatsoever. Obviously it was either demons or mental illness, with a broken marriage thrown in.
It's not the guns, sure he was able to buy legally but even if not, when Americans or Canadians want access to a firearm they will find a way to get one or another way to kill,knife, machette or a vehicle. I feel trans people are mental people that need help.
Really, never heard of a machete mass killing. Assault rifles are strictly made for killing humans at a very high rate. Not like a bolt action rifle or a pump gun. Only 4 mass killing by a trans, over a thousand or more from white, male boys.
You’ve never heard of the Rwandan genocide? There was a mass knifing at a Walmart just last month.
Maybe not a mass killing with a machette but there have sure been lots using knives, fire, blunt objects and vehicles. Most mass murders are committed by people who are depressed, bi polar or some other form of mental illness and they are not getting the help they need in today's society. Guns are not the problem, people's access to them is the problem.
The amount of blame and shame a mother receives for children’s actions is horrible. We all know it takes a village but there is no village to be found. Mental illness requires a lot of care but there is little real care to be found. Doctors will encourage you to “believe your child” and medicate heavily. When your kid is going off the rails and you’re begging for help all around town, and you finally find someone who will do something, anything. What if it doesn’t help? What if it was the wrong choice? This isn’t about trans, and it’s only peripherally about medication. It’s about kids in distress for years and years and no one knows how to help mental illness. I would hide behind a lawyer and as soon as possible change my name and start a new life.
"especially her mother, who shared a home with Robin during much of his upbringing"
What is this? It's utterly incorient.
Probably missed a pronoun when correcting the Mainstream Media lies.
Huge warning. This writer is anti-trans and anti-liberal. This article makes false claims. Be alert
Was there mental health intervention? A psychological evaluation is always the first step when someone has gender identity issues. It helps them work through conflict over it and any underlying mental health issues can be discovered. Just being trans, or having conflicting feelings, is not a mental health disorder and does not lead to violence. This person was struggling with a myriad of issues.
More than anything this speaks to the necessity for mental health testing prior to the issuance of gun licensing , which should, then be reevaluated at intervals. This is especially important in adolescence. If the GOP wants to use mental health as the culprit, this should be an place of agreement
If I were in her place I wouldn't speak either. We started this awful journey by ignoring the parents of the Colombine shooting though I am convinced they had possibly the hardest road of all. They lost their children, nobody seemed to care about that, and they faced all the public criticism. The parents of the shooter at a Christian school where I reside cooperated immediately and fully, but despite having stated numerous times that he was unaware his daughter had access to the gun safe, her father was charged. I don't know the answers to ending these crimes but I do know that what we have done and what we are doing aren't the answers either. My sincerest sympathy and prayers to all the victims and their families.
Andy NGO has an interesting take on this.
I'm sure he's rubbing his hands together with glee with how much he can deflect from this shooters far right politics by talking about the gender identity, anti Christian & anti Trump sentiment.
This framing is unfair and dangerous. A mother hiring a lawyer after her child commits a mass shooting is not suspicious, t’s survival. Families are often scapegoated, vilified, and even sued in tragedies like this. Silence doesn’t mean complicity; sometimes it’s the only shield left in the middle of unimaginable grief.
What’s worse is how this piece weaponizes Robin’s gender identity and political leanings as if they “explain” the violence. Trans identity didn’t pull the trigger. Hate, untreated mental health struggles, and access to multiple firearms did. Blaming identity only fuels stigma and distracts from the real issues.
Drawing parallels to the Oxford case is just planting suspicion without evidence. Unless investigators show that Mary Grace ignored explicit warnings, this constant finger-pointing only deepens the pain for victims’ families and for a mother who lost her child in the most horrific way possible.
Mass shootings are complex. Simplifying them into “blame the mom” or “blame the identity” doesn’t help us prevent the next one, it just fuels division when what’s needed is truth, accountability, and real solutions.
Read some of his journal entries and you can't miss how much his gender identity confusion played into him going full on terrorist. He fantacized slaughtering Christian children which makes it a hate crime if you can get any worse than straight up mass murder.
Well, the parents share a lot of the blame, but society and the "healthcare" industry as well. Real love would have been demonstrated by refusing to go along with this young man's gender change fantasy right from the beginning. Had they demanded that he live in reality right from the start, he might never have gone down the path to murder. All of these commenter's on here blaming the guns are just as detached from reality. The real weapon was the shooter not the gun. And maybe his mother realizes that she shares some of the blame.
Well, now Andy Ngo has reported that the mom was the voice of reason, trying to stop or delay her son's bogus transition. In this version it is the uber progressive dad/idiot who happily encouraged the delusions of their youngest child. And that also makes sense of Robert/Robin's choice of target. Mom didn't support him enough and that's why he regretted his trans feelings. So obviously her former employer and all those little catholic kids needed to suffer. Burn in hell weirdo. And my apologies and sympathies to the mom.
So per your logic, guns don't kill. We only have to worry about mentally ill, drug addled white transgender people pulling the trigger.
We dont have to worry about MAGA pulling triggers. Thats a relief to all the libs constantly getting death threats. Good to know that MAGA won't be following through with their death threats.
Most cops would disagree with you and say that the biggest cause of violence is the proliferation of illegal street guns that are easily obtained by criminals.
Put a gun in the hands of a criminal and they're going to use it. They're not going to get a background check and a mental heallth evaluation.
Where do the illegal weapons come from? Out of state gun shows and home break-ins. Stolen from white suburban guys who buy them for "protection" then put them in the nightstand and forget about them. They constantly feed the black market.
Your ignorance is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.
Whitch part is incorrect? You can't have it both ways. If "guns don't kill, people kill" then any gun owner is a potential killer. Who determines who is mentally ill? Should we be looking at every gun owners emails and posts?
MAGA makes the most death threats by far. Should we assume those are empty threats and there is no intention of following through. Or do they really plan on pulling the trigger and committing murder
Remember...guns don't kill, people do.
Where do you get this information, “MAGA makes the most death threats”? You’re literally making crap up.
The left is the party of violence, hello, remember the BLM riots?!?
You write as if you KNOW what the facts are. All I hear is the rattle of a box of rocks.
Enlighten me. What are the facts? You dismiss anything that doesn't align with your world view.
Truth hurts
I didn't address any if that. I just provided you with a jumping off point to address your own concerns. Yw
This woman just lost her son, and also has to grapple with the horrifying realization that her son was a killer. This all happened less than a week ago. I would not expect her to be speaking to the media right now or doing anything besides managing her own grief process while also considering her own safety and that of her remaining family
If anyone wants a really harrowing window into what this woman may be going through “A Mother’s Reconning” by Sue Klebold (mother of Columbine shooter Dylan Klebold) is a painful but illuminating read.
I also do not blame her for retaining a lawyer. Parents of school shooters have been sued, or even convicted of crimes and sentenced to prison recently. It may look crass, but it is probably a necessity.
When there has been a practice of charging parents for the actions of their dead children in high profile cases, it makes perfect sense for her to remain silent and hire an attorney.
The mom can have her lawyer present when talking to investigators. But she still refuses to talk about anything. “his client remains unreachable to investigators”
Correct, total silence in a case like this is the only advice a competent lawyer should give to a person in her situation.